Generation XXXI Ane nr / Indholdsfortegnelse Kort overblik 2 Robert I Van Namen og Ermengarde Van Lotharingen 4 Kildemateriale 6

Transcriptie

1 Indholdsfortegnelse Side Kort overblik 2 Robert I Van Namen og Ermengarde Van Lotharingen 4 Kildemateriale 6 Berengar Van Namen & Symphor. V.Lotharingen Richwin Van Verdun & Kunigunde Der Franken Ane nr / / (= ) Robert I Van Namen & Ermengarde Van Lotharingen / Albert I Van Namen Albert II Van Namen Albert III V. Namen Henri Van Namen Beatrice Van Namen Godevaart I V.Breda Goodevaart II Breda Sofie Van Breda Joannes van Gavere Eksaerde Wilhelmus Van Gavere Eksaarde Willem Van Gavere Kathelijne Van Gavere - Haasdonk Katelijne Hutzers - Haasdonk Willem Scoemaekers Petrus Scoemaekers Petrus Scoemaekers Livine Scoemakere Margriete V. Couteren Sint-Niklaas Dierik Ver Braecken Sint-Niklaas 6718 Johanna Ver Braken Sint-Niklaas 3359 Catharina De Maere Tielrode 1679 Amelberga Vernimmen - Thielrode 839 Marie Anne Smedt - Thielrode 419 Anne Petron. Everaert Thielrode 209 Robert Van Landeghem Thielrode 104 Bruno Van Landeghem Thielrode 52 Julien Van Landeghem Thielrode 26 Christ. V. Landeghem Boom 13 Emiel Jan Person Antwerpen 6 Louisa Augusta Person Åbyhøj 3 Grete A./Emil H. Sørensen - Lind/Værløse 1 aner\ /nov.2012 Side 0

2 aner\ /nov.2012 Side 1

3 ROBERT I VAN NAMEN & ERMENGARDE VAN LOTHARINGEN Robert I Van Namen er født omkring 920 som søn af Berengarius Van Namen og Symphoria Van Lotharingen. Hans fødested er det endnu ikke lykkedes at opspore. Ermengarde Van Lotharingen er født omkring 925 som datter af Richwin Van Verdun og Kunigunde Der Franken. Hendes fødested er det endnu ikke lykkedes at opspore. Robert I Van Namen og Ermengarde Van Lotharingen får 2 børn. Robert I Van Namen og Ermengarde Van Lotharingen dør begge omkring 980. aner\ /nov.2012 Side 2

4 aner\ /nov.2012 Side 3

5 Robert I Van Namen og Ermengarde Van Lotharingen Robert I Van Namen og Ermengarde Van Lotharingen bliver gift omkring 940. De bosætter sig formentlig i Namen-området. Her får de følgende børn: , ca. - Albert I Van Namen , ca. - Ermengard Van Namen. Robert I Van Namen er i tidsrummet greve af Namen (Namur). Sønnen Albert I Van Namen (ane nr ) gifter sig med Ermengarde Van Lotharingen (ane nr ). De får 3 børn: Albert II, Luitgard Emma og Hedwig Van Namen. Datteren Ermengard Van Namen gifter sig med Otto Van Warq Ivois. De får 1 søn: Lodewijk I Van Warcq. Både Robert I og Ermengarde Van Lotharingen dør omkring 980. aner\ /nov.2012 Side 4

6 aner\ /nov.2012 Side 5

7 Kildemateriale Kildemateriale 1: Herweijer/Familien Robert I Van Namen Generatie XXII ROBERT I, graaf van Namen , zoon van *BERENGARIUS (zie ) en *SYMPHORIA VAN LOTHARINGEN (zie ) ERMENGARDE, van Verdun. Sønnen Albert I: Generatie XXI ALBERT I VAN NAMEN, vermeld vanaf 981, overleden te kort voor 1011, zoon van ROBERT I (zie ) en ERMENGARDE (zie ) ERMENGARDE, van Neder-Lotharingen, overleden na 1047, dochter van KAREL VAN WEST-FRANCIë (zie ) en ADELHEID (zie ). Kildemateriale 2: Wissenburg/Familien Robert I Van Namen Robert van NAMEN Familienaam Index Vader Moeder Tevens Geboren ca. 925 Overleden ca. 981 Graaf van Lomme en Namen Huwt ca Ermengard van LOTHARINGEN Familienaam Index Vader onbekend Moeder onbekend Tevens Geboren ca. 930 Overleden ca. 981 Kinderen 1. Albert I Zie Ermengard Zie aner\ /nov.2012 Side 6

8 Kildemateriale 3: Kareldegrote/Familien Robert I Van Namen Karel De Grote = Generation 1. Generation 7: 199. Robert I Van Namen was born about 925 and died about 981 about age 56. Robert married Ermengard Van Verdun, daughter of Wigerich Van Lotharingen and Kundegonde Der Franken, about 945. Ermengard was born about 920 and died about 981 about age 61. Children from this marriage were: M i. Albert I Van Namen was born about 945 and died about 1010 about age F ii. Ermengard Van Namen was born about 945 and died about 1010 about age Ermengard Van Verdun was born about 920 and died about 981 about age 61. Ermengard married Robert I Van Namen, son of Berenger Van Namen and Symphoronia Van Henegouwen Van De Darnau, about 945. Robert was born about 925 and died about 981 about age 56. (Duplicate Line. See Person 199). aner\ /nov.2012 Side 7

9 Kildemateriale 4: Van-den-hout/Familien Robert I Van Namen Robert I graaf van Namen Geslacht: Man Geboren: Ca 925 Overleden: Ca 981 Vader: Berenger graaf van Namen Moeder: Symphoronia van Henegouwen van de Darnau Huwelijk: Ca 945 Ermengard van Verdun (Lotharingen) Geslacht: Vrouw Geboren: Ca 920 Overleden: Ca 981 Vader: Richwin van Verdun Moeder: Kundegonde der Franken Kind(eren): Albert I graaf van Namen Geslacht: Man Geboren: Ca 945 Overleden: Ca 1010 Huwelijk: Ca 995 Ermengarde (der Franken) van Lotharingen Ermengard van Namen Geslacht: Vrouw Geboren: Ca 945 Overleden: Ca 1010 Huwelijk: Ca 970 Otto van Warq Ivois aner\ /nov.2012 Side 8

10 Kildemateriale 5: Wikipedia/Familien Robert I Van Namen Albert I van Namen (-1011) was een zoon van graaf Robert I van Namen. Hij was graaf van Namen van 981 tot 1011 in opvolging van zijn vader. Hij was gehuwd met Ermengarde van Lotharingen, enig kind van hertog Otto II van Neder-Lotharingen, en werd de vader van: Robert II Albert II Liutgard, gehuwd met graaf Otto van Loon Oda of Goda, moeder van Arnold van Soissons, Ermengarde, gehuwd met graaf Otto I van Ciney, Emma, gehuwd met Giselbert van Loon Hatvide, gehuwd met Gerard van Elzas. Ermengarde van Lotharingen was het enig kind van hertog Otto II van Neder-Lotharingen. Zij huwde met graaf Albert I van Namen, en werd de moeder van: De afkomst van Robrecht I van Namen (- 981) is onduidelijk. Hij werd in 946 graaf van de Lommegouw (Namen). Robrecht stelde zich onafhankelijk op tegenover aartsbisschop Bruno, hertog der Beide Lotharingen en legde diens edict naast zich neer om de versterkingen af te breken die gebouwd waren zonder de toelating van de hertog. Robrechts echtgenote is onbekend gebleven, maar hij werd de vader van: Albert I (-1012) Giselbert Ratboud. Kildemateriale 6: Feringa/Familien Robert I Van Namen Graaf Robert I van NAMEN, geboren ca. 0925, overleden ca Bron: Henny Savenije, zoon van Graaf Berenger van LOMME (zie 15804) en Symphoronia van HENEGOUWEN (zie 15972). Gehuwd (1) circa 0945 met Ermegarde van LOTHARINGEN (zie 17904). Gehuwd (2) met Ermengarde van VERDUN (zie 16042). Uit het eerste huwelijk: 1 kind. Uit het tweede huwelijk: 2. Graaf Albert I van NAMEN (zie 16041) Ermengarde van VERDUN, geboren ca Bron: Henny Savenije, dochter van Graaf Richwin van VERDUN (zie 16002) en Kunegond van MIDDEN-FRIESLAND (zie 16495).Gehuwd met Graaf Robert I van NAMEN (zie 16043).Uit dit huwelijk: 1 kind. aner\ /nov.2012 Side 9

11 Kildemateriale 7: Medlands/Familien Robert I Van Namen Chapter 2. COMTES de NAMUR [907] ROBERT [I] ([920/25]-before 981). Robert succeeded as Comte de Namur, maybe as direct successor to Berengar as no documentary record has been found of another intervening count in the area, although this is not certain. The earliest reference to Robert is the charter dated 2 Jun 946 under which "Rotbertus comes" donated the villa of Melin "in comitatu meo" to the abbey of Waulsort [13]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln [14], Robert was the son of Berengar. However, the only evidence so far identified that Robert may have been a descendant of Berengar is provided by the Vita Gerardi Abbatis Broniense which records that "comes Berengarius Nammucensi castro præsidebat" commenting that "cuius stirpis posteritas ibidem hactenus perstat" [15]. This convoluted reference suggests that the relationship may have been less direct than father/son: maybe Robert was Berengar's grandson, the son of Berengar's daughter. This appears to be corroborated by the chronology of the births in the family. If Giselbert, son of Robert [I], was born in [955/60], it is unlikely that his father was born before [920/25] at the earliest, bearing in mind that he was presumably an adult at the time of the 946 charter. Assuming that the birth date range of Berengar is correct as shown above, Robert would most likely have been born earlier than this if he had been Berengar's son. The fact that Robert named his second son Giselbert also suggests a family connection with Berengar, whose wife was the sister of Giselbert Duke of Lotharingia, although it is somewhat surprising that the name Berengar itself is not repeated among Robert's descendants. Another indication of Robert's family background is provided by the Gesta Abbatum Gemblacensium which names "Rotbertus comes Namucensis" as the most powerful of the "cæteri fratres et nepotes pii patris nostri [Wicperti]", while recording that he oppressed the abbey of Gembloux [16]. If this is correct, Robert's maternal grandmother was Osburga, whose first husband was St Wicbert's father (see Chapter 5.A). "Otto rex" granted property "quod Ymmo in villa Castra et in pago Darnegouue ac in comitatu Rotberti comitis" to "fideli nostro Tietboldo" by charter dated 11 Jun 958 [17]. Flodoard's Annals record that in 960 "Rotbertus", enemy of Bruno Archbishop of Köln (son of Henrich I King of Germany), fortified "Namuurum castrum" against the archbishop [18]. "Rotbertus comes" subscribed a charter dated 961 under which Erluin abbé of Gembloux exchanged property [19]. The Gesta Abbatum Lobiensium names "comite Roberto" and records that "Ratherius" died "apud Namurcum" [20], an event dated elsewhere to 974. aner\ /nov.2012 Side 10

12 Kildemateriale 7: Medlands/Familien Robert I Van Namen fortsat m ---. Thierry Stasser suggests that the wife of Robert [I] Comte de Namur may have been [Liutgarde], daughter of Adalbert Graf [von Metz], emphasising that this is purely speculative based only on onomastics [21]. Comte Robert [I] & his wife had [five] children: a) ALBERT (-shortly before 1011). Albert, Gislebert and Ratbod are named as sons of Comte Robert in a charter dated 981 [22]. He succeeded as ALBERT I Comte de Namur. - see below. b) GISELBERT ([955/60]-). The Gesta Abbatum Lobiensium records that "Gislabertus, ex quatuor comitis Roberti filiis unus" accompanied "Mathildem comitissam" to the abbey of Lobbes [23]. This event is not dated but is recorded in the Gesta several paragraphs after an event dated to 974. His birth date range is estimated on the assumption that Giselbert was a young adult when he visited Lobbes, dated some time between 975 and 980. Albert, Gislebert and Ratbod are named as sons of Comte Robert in a charter dated 981 [24]. c) RATBOD [Robert]. Albert, Gislebert and Ratbod are named as sons of Comte Robert in a charter dated 981 [25]. d) son (-[before 981]). As the Gesta Abbatum Lobiensium records "Gislabertus, ex quatuor comitis Roberti filiis unus" [26], it is known that Comte Robert had a fourth son but no further information relating to him has been found. He presumably died before 981 as he is not named with his brothers in the charter of that date. e) [LIUTGARDE. Vanderkindere suggests that the wife of Arnoul [II] Comte de Cambrai may have been the daughter of Robert [I] Comte de Namur, both because the couple's son was named Albert and also because Liutgarde held property at Hanret in Darnau pagus which was divided between Namur and Brabant [27]. No other information has been identified from which any alternative ancestry can be deduced for Liutgarde. Liutgarde possessed the alleu de Hanret, Hesbaye [28]. "Arnulfus comes Valencencianensis et uxor eius Liutgardis cum filio suo Adalberto" donated property to Saint- Pierre-au-Mont-Blandin at Gent by charter dated 994 [29]. m ARNOUL [II] Comte de Cambrai, son of ARNOUL [I] Comte de Cambrai & his wife Berta --- (-23 Oct 1012).] aner\ /nov.2012 Side 11

13 Kildemateriale 7: Medlands/Familien Robert I Van Namen fortsat Noter: [4] D Karl 105, p. 169, headed "verunechtet" in the compilation. [5] D LK 55, p [6] D LK 57, p [7] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch 159, p [8] Namur, p. xxii, which refers to doubts about authenticity of this charter because of this geographical attribution which is atypical of the period. [9] Flodoardi Annales 924, MGH SS III, p [10] Vita Gerardi Abbatis Broniensis 3, MGH SS XV.2, p [11] Flodoardi Annales 924, MGH SS III, p [12] ES VII 68. [13] Namur 1, p. 3. [14] ES VII 68. [15] Vita Gerardi Abbatis Broniensis 3, MGH SS XV.2, p. 656, the introduction, p. 654 footnote 7 suggesting that the work was composed [960/76]. [16] Gesta Abbatum Gemblacensium 20, MGH SS VIII, p [17] D O I 194, p [18] Flodoardi Annales 960, MGH SS III, p [19] Gembloux, p. 15. [20] Folcuini Gesta Abbatum Lobiensium 28, MGH SS IV, p. 70. [21] Stasser, T. 'L'épouse de Robert I de Namur: Essai d'identification', Keats-Rohan, K. S. B. and Settipani, C. (eds.) (2000) Onomastique et Parenté dans l'occident medieval (Prosopographica et Genealogica, Vol. 3), p [22] Pirenne, H. (ed.) (1909) Album belge de diplomatique (Brussels), planche IV, cited in Namur, p. xxxv. [23] Folcuini Gesta Abbatum Lobiensium 39, MGH SS IV, p. 73. [24] Pirenne, H. (ed.) (1909) Album belge de diplomatique (Brussels), planche IV, cited in Namur, p. xxxv. [25] Pirenne, H. (ed.) (1909) Album belge de diplomatique (Brussels), planche IV, cited in Namur, p. xxxv. [26] Folcuini Gesta Abbatum Lobiensium 39, MGH SS IV, p. 73. [27] Vanderkindere II, p. 85. [28] Namur, p. xxxvii. [29] Stasser, T. 'L'épouse de Robert I de Namur: Essai d'identification', Keats-Rohan, K. S. B. and Settipani, C. (eds.) (2000) Onomastique et Parenté dans l'occident medieval (Prosopographica et Genealogica, Vol. 3), p. 114, quoting Van Lokeren, A. (1869) Chartes et documents de l'abbaye de saint Pierre au Mont Blandin à Gand, n o. 75. [30] Pirenne, H. (ed.) (1909) Album belge de diplomatique (Brussels), planche IV, cited in Namur, p. xxxv. aner\ /nov.2012 Side 12

14 Kildemateriale 7: Medlands/Familien Robert I Van Namen fortsat htm#richwindied923 A. COMTES de VERDUN [890]-[960] 1. RICHWIN [Richizo] (-murdered 923). Comte [de Verdun] m secondly KUNEGUND, widow of WIGERICH [III]. Comte Richwin & his [first/second] wife had one child: a) OTTO (-943). aner\ /nov.2012 Side 13